Wyoming's own country star, Chancey Williams

 Straight out of the heart of Wyoming, Chancey Williams is a country music sensation with a knack for songwriting and a past as a bronc rider. In this episode, he takes us on a journey through his musical inspirations and gives us insider info on his favorite artists and how they've molded his own sound. Plus, he dishes out some electrifying tales from the stage at legendary spots like Cheyenne Frontier Days and the Grand Ole Opry. 

Transcript

Authentic Wyoming

Episode #32 ~ Chancey Williams

Original Air Date: September 17, 2024

This transcript was generated automatically using speech-to-text technology. The accuracy may vary in spots.

Hi, I'm Myra.
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 Here we are, Myra. We're back. We need a new line. I always say that we're back.
 
 Well, yeah. I guess it is natural. It's a natural ease. Yeah. Here we are back in our podcast. So, how are things, Myra?
 
 Myra is not in Wyoming. Listener land.
 
 I think, yeah.
 
 That's great. Yeah, I saw, I know, Mountain View and back where I live. I think Monday or Tuesday, seeing all the kids back on the school busses means fall's coming. I love fall, but I'm not ready to give up summer yet.
 
 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
 
 It's like, course, the air conditioning.
 
 Yeah. Hot. Yeah, I know I love football. Yes! Yeah.
 
 Tickets should be cheap.
 
 They should be paying you to go. Fans to come see.
 
 Well, Keith, you're going to have to edit that.
 
 It's just the party. Cool. But I think it's a great idea. Yeah. You never know. That's your wishful thinking. Maybe Swift will see this podcast one day and be like, oh, I got to reach out. I got to get that. I don't I dream big mirror. I dream big. I put it out there. Yeah. There's a little girl in North Carolina. Can't get tickets to your show.
 
 That is awesome. I love five-year-old brains. So cute.
 
 Here you are. Yeah. See, dream dreams do come true. Don't give up on t swift tickets for Nola. That's all I'm saying.
 
 Let's see. List. It's where we're at. We're on the C. That's.
 
 Speaking of music. Yeah. Good. Intro.
 
 Can see It.
 
 Well, thanks for having me on, I appreciate it. You. Used. You. Yep. I was born in Newcastle, Wyoming, just down the road from Warcraft. Yeah, I have a house. Moorcroft. My folks, we ranch up there. My family does have a house there right beside my mom and dad. And then I have a house in Laramie to kind of base the barn at Laramie, and then kind of live on the busses where I am today on the road.
 
 So. All right.
 I don't know. You. I know people have told me accent before, and I, I don't hear it. I guess maybe it's because maybe I go to Nashville a lot. I don't know, I don't know where I picked that up or why I sound the way I do. But born and raised Wyoming lived here my whole life. I know it's my stage voice.
 
 Maybe. Yeah, I think so.
 
 Well, yeah. You know, so growing up, ranch, it being a ranch, it's Moorcroft. Obviously rodeo does. My brothers, my dad rodeo rode saddle broncs bareback. So me and my brothers always wanted to follow in his footsteps. And I went from high school to Casper College. Rode saddle broncs and team rope and calf rope there. And stayed there three years and, made the college finals my third year.
 
 And then, went to University of Wyoming after that to finish my degree. And rodeo there. Made the college finals again. But the whole time from high school, you know, all through college, I had a band just kind of for fun, we would, you know, play rodeos and fairs and street dances and whatnot. So, you know, but music was always gone on the back burners, mostly. 
 My main thing was rodeo, because that's what I was going to college for. And then, that's where we were getting booked a lot. And so after college, I, I moved to Nashville for about a year to do, an internship to finish my master's degree and then decided, well, maybe I should try music as a career versus rodeo, because I probably can't do both forever.
 
 So that's how I ended up in music. Well, that was kind of the the goal. You know, I, I kind of went up to the options and thought, you know, I can ride bucking horses into my 30s and it was so fun. I still miss it, but I just thought, you know, for the rest of my life, you can sing, tell your, tell your dad essentially, so you can sing your whole life.
 
 So I chose I chose to be a singer instead of a rodeo cowboy.
 
 Yeah. So I, I got, minor undergrads in political science, and, my master's is in public administration, and I got two associates degrees at Casper College and then with the University of Wyoming, got a bachelors. Then at the time, part of my, band was still in college. So I decided to go to grad school and got a masters that never used it.
 
 It's just fun to talk about in interviews.
 
 Yeah, just. Yeah, you can do whatever you want. And, you know, it's, you know, degrees, you know, something you earn that nobody can ever take from you. So it's, it's nice to have as a fallback forever need it. And I just, I was just really good at college and liked it and, still kind of lived the college life, I guess.
 
 My house in Laramie is basically on campus. It's, Right, you know, about 100 yards from campus. So, yeah, it's it's fun to have the have the degrees. It's like you.
 
 Know, you know, the the first for the original for we were all high school buddies and, you know, went to college. Then throughout the years, you know everybody decides to do something different. And when it's all said and done, you know, broken. Wyatt been with me the longest, you know, but they've been in. Shoot this. This dates me over.
 But, like, 16 years. And then the rest of the band been in, you know, 5 to 8. So we've had the same band. So a long time. But my original high school band, I'm the only original one left. But. Yeah.
 It just means. Student. Yeah. I mean, I guess that still happens today. I mean, things happen in your career and you take it to the next level all the time, but. So growing up, there's probably been a bunch of those, you know, we were playing a lot of street dances and rodeos and fairs and then, you know, we got the opportunity.
 
 We're actually parked in Billings right now on our way to Bozeman. We just drove by the Metra. And so we got to open for Chris Ledoux there when I was 21. And we were, you know, still pretty young man. And I don't think we were that good. But Chris let us open for him right here in Billings at the Metro, which is kind of the one of the first moments I thought I wanted to do that for a living because it was our first real big show.
 
 Shows sold out 8000 people in front of Chris and, you know, and Chris, after the show told me, like, it looks like you're meant to be on stage. And I was like, well, me and Chris thinks that. So that was kind of like the first one. And then, you know, I guess when I moved to Nashville to finish my internship, I worked for Toby Keith for a year and just spent a lot of time with Toby and getting to learn in the music business.
 
 I thought, you know, maybe I can make this, a profession because, you know, back in, I opened for Chris, and we're in college. We played, you know, cover songs, and we played other people's stuff. And when I was in Nashville doing my internship, I did my first record of my own stuff and original music and, started doing that direction.
 
 And then when I moved back from Nashville, we played, you know, 4 or 5 years still as kind of a cover band, but slipping in a few of our original songs. And then, you know, we got you had to learn everything from scratch. You know, it's not a big, music scene in, in Wyoming. So we didn't know.
 
 We're just a bunch of cowboys that started playing music. And, you know, there's a lot to it once you get into it. And I tell people all the time, I know more about ranching and rodeo than I do music, and I just chosen a profession that I literally knew nothing about. But I really like being a singer and an entertainer.
 
 
 
 So I guess there's all these moments where, you know, we would play the grizzly roles that are open for people. So you learn how to open and, you know, for Chris to do. And yet all these moments and then you figure out how to write better songs and you figure out how to put a show together. So all these things, one thing leads to another.
 
 And we've definitely earned it the hard way. You know, with people in Nashville and even today, with the way the music business is, somebody'll have never played a show ever, and have something blow up on TikTok and they'll be a big star for a moment. No, we've like the path of our career just because it's everything we've done, we've earned ourselves.
 
 We've had to work for every inch, so it's more rewarding when we get these, I guess, awards or big moments to open people or headline places. We know we've earned it, that we didn't get lucky and had something go viral on the internet. Sorry, that was really long and.
 
 Yeah, and like, I looked up to Chris a lot, just, you know, it as a, as a musical artist because, you know, it's from Wyoming and rodeo and so there was a lot of similarities. But, you know, I never wanted to be Chris because, you know, he's the king of Wyoming and will always be. And I never wanted anybody to think that I was trying to be Chris.
 
 I just wanted to cut my own path, but definitely looked up to him as an artist. And then, you know, working for Toby, you know, there's there's a lot of stars in the world and only a handful of superstars. And Toby Keith was a superstar. And for him, too, you know, he treated me so well. And, you know, about a month before he died, he sent me a text that he called me his oldest son, you know, so, I mean, it's cool to to earn the respect of those guys that are that big.
 
 And, you know, if they look at you as a, a colleague in the business or a coworker or whatever, that means a lot. Knowing that we've we've carved our path and people do recognize what we're doing.
 
 
 
 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It was it was a sad day when we lost Toby this year. But, you know, we left a mark on the world as as a person and with his music. So we'll remember him forever. It's.
 
 It's Such, Yeah. That's a it's a really fun stat to have with Chris. You know, I mean, being born raised in Wyoming, Cheyenne frontier days. Very special to me and and to people from Wyoming. You know, my dad was Cheyenne, 1971. And then, you know, so all grown up, we thought Cheyenne was the coolest ever. You know, it's the biggest outdoor rodeo in the world.
 
 It's in our home state. And so me and my brother rode there, in the rookie bronc riding a couple of years. And it was fun to ride there. And following dad's footsteps, you know, and had some success. I won two rounds there, had the arena record there for a while, and the rookie bronc grad. So it was fun to just ride there.
 
 And I never knew when I was riding the later on I would end up playing there. And so we we played the beer tent for quite a few years and then ended up getting to play the main stage and yeah, one of the committee members told us that said, you know, you and Chris the only dude ever ride here and play here.
 
 I was like, oh, that's a fun stat. And and this year I got, inducted the Shane Frontier Days Hall of Fame, which is super humbling because it's so special to us. And so just Cheyenne, I would say, is a big foundation to our career because when we were learning how to play, we played Cheyenne every year and so we gained fans from all over the country because people from all over the country come to shine frontier days to see us.
 
 So it was it was a good foundation to where we are today.
 
 If you didn't. 
 Well, like the first record I cut, when I was in Nashville, I cut all outside songs, which means, you know, there's just there's tons of songwriters and national. They pitch your stuff all the time. So I cut other people's songs, but there were original songs that had never been released, and so, you know, if you're not a real big artist, it's hard to get pitched really good songs because those big songwriters, obviously, when they know they write a hit, they send it to, you know, Tim McGraw or or Keith Urban.
 So it's hard to get your hands on, like the really good songs. I would call them great songs. So I figured out the next few albums to get the stuff I was looking for that reflected the West and where I'm from. I had to write them because, and it's no dig on Nashville writers. They just they don't really know how to write cowboy stuff because they've never lived it.
 
 There's a lingo that people and even the people out West, you're how we talk, how we talk about horses, how we talk about rodeo. That unless you've kind of live that life, the lingo doesn't line up. So, you know, I get I still get pitched songs all the time that some great Nashville writers will write about rodeo or cowboys that I'm like, man, I can't get that.
 
 It's not how we talk, you know? It's not. You wouldn't say it that way. And there to us it comes off a little cheesy, but, you know, some of those cowboy songs are great. Say, if Tim McGraw, you know, cut it, or somebody in Nashville that wasn't a cowboy. But my peers are all rodeo cowboys and ranchers from Wyoming, so I have to look them in the face when I sing these songs.
 
 So they have they have to be legit. And so, yeah, you know what? My friends are going up and down the road rodeo and listen to these songs. And if if I'm fabricating things or like making parts up, I'll get called out because that's the way the world is. And so when I write, I try to stay in my lane.
 
 I write about things that I know about that's super authentic. You know, I grew up ranching. I grew up rodeo and went to college for seven years. So you hear songs about rodeo, party and ranch in the Western way of life, how beautiful Wyoming is and things like that. And, you know, I think this day and age, with the way the world is and artists fans can see right through if you're not authentic.
 
 And that's one of the reasons where we are today is our authenticity. You know what you get? Like, I'm a Wyoming cowboy that sings about it, and if you like our music, that's great, and not everybody does. And if you don't, that's great. Dude, we're not singing to you. We're singing to the people that live the life we live or the people nowadays on the East and West coast that have been inspired by shows like Yellowstone and whatnot, that want to live the life vicariously out West here through our music.
 And it's got to be truthful and authentic. And I think our fans can see and hear how authentic we are.
 
 Yeah. Somebody asked me the other day what I thought about Post Malone in country music, and I said, I love it, you know, because he he he's doing stuff with Dwight Yoakam, Brad Paisley, Vince Gill. He's done his research and he's doing it because he loves the genre of country music. What I don't agree with is other artists coming from the pop or rock world, they're already famous.
 
 They just want to get a song country radio just because they can, you know? And I love Beyonce as a as a pop artist, she's great. But like her dad dabbling in country, like, do you really love country music? He was trying to get a country hit versus Post Malone, like he did this whole album of duets and his this album that came out is crazy good.
 
 And so and I think it's good for country music to have guys like him in there that like, have done their research that dug in, that know the history of where it came from and what they're singing about. And I've been saying this, I credit Cheyenne Frontier Days to him being in country because they had him at Cheyenne and everybody was like, why are you getting Post Malone at Cheyenne Frontier Days?
 
 And the thing sold out in like 20 minutes, and he bought a pair of boots and a hat and word Cheyenne. That was the first time I'd ever seen him wear a hat and do to Mike. I think that's where I kind of got the itch to be in country music was singing at Shine Frontier Days, so don't quote me on that.
 
 But that's my own theory.
 Yeah. That's awesome.
 
 Yeah, he's I think he's great for country. And this new album he put out is super good. So I'm jealous that I haven't got to do a duet with him. I want to do one with him. Send this out. The Post Malone scam say chancy would like to do I do that with you? Yeah. Okay.
 
 It is super tough, you know, the. And the longer and the more you know. And like, I spend a week, a month in Nashville just to play the part and. But it it it's probably like any business, but it's a little bit slimy once you get into the business part of it, you know, it's kind of who, you know.It's a big brand thing. It's a lot money. You know, money talks and a lot of these aspects, you know, you wonder why so-and-so has the number one. They've never done nothing like, well, who do they know and what do they do? And then you'll see a guy, you know before Cody Johnson got a record deal with Warner, he was streaming more than anybody on radio, and radio wouldn't play him.
 
 And you're like, well, what's going on here? It's because, you know, the labels kind of control country radio, which still means a lot. It started to get less and less with platforms like Spotify and Pandora and stuff and TikTok. Even so, I mean, I think those things are good, but it's it's frustrating sometimes to see an artist. It's not necessarily about talent anymore.
 
 You know, we kind of grew up old school. We we said, let's just go play as much as possible and get as good as we can. And some people noticed us and didn't really play the politics of Nashville. And and we still don't really. So we've built a touring career. I have 13 people that work for us, that work for me.
 
 I have two busses, so we've built a business without Nashville. But you also need Nashville in some aspects. I mean, to an extent like our booking agents there and our publicist lives there. So. And not that we're against signing a record deal. We've had a lot of record label meetings. We've just turned a lot of them down because at the end of the day, it's all money.
 
 And of course, once you become a little bit successful, everybody wants to jump on the gravy train. It's like, well, I'm not going to hand you the keys to this outfit that we've built, you know, like ourselves and there's not a lot of independent artists, you know, and I'll brag about my band. Like, we've done a lot of cool things as an independent artist.
 
 But the Ryman Auditorium played the Grand Ole Opry three times, played Red Rock the boat Cheyenne, and played Calgary like Billy Bob's, like, we've done all these things without a deal. And that's there's not many people that have done that. So not that we're out. Guess we've just kind of done it our own way. And I don't know if it's right or wrong, but it's the only way we know.
 So but like I said, we're in Nashville all the time having meetings. And if the right team wants to join our team to build it, we're for that. We're just I'm not going to hand over everything we've worked our whole careers for so far.
 
 
 
 Well, yeah. And that's what a lot of these young artists don't know any better. You know, they've never played live much. And they're, they're willing to to sign their life away to be famous. And to us, we just love playing music. We love playing live and and, I've always wanted to build a career for my team versus, like, you know, you could have a number one today.
 And if you don't follow that up, you're kind of done. You have to go back like. Like some of these new artists, they're coming and going so fast. You're like, well, they had a number one last year. What are they doing today? Are they working, you know, at blockbuster again or something? You know, it's not the blockbusters, but I've never I've never wanted that.
 
 Yeah I never wanted that as a career. You know we want to be able to be doing this when we're 70 years old. And people there still demand for people to see us. So our career has been slow and steady rise versus, you know, the faster you rise, the faster you can fall too. So I've liked our trajectory of my band like we're a family, everybody's, you know, we live on these busses.
 
 So we're it's not I'm not hiring, you know, hired guns to come play music with me that I don't know. These are my family members that we live together, and we like creating music together.
 
 Well.
 So we don't. I don't get stage fright. I mean, just a little bit more. It's more like what I've done the the Grand Ole Opry three times last year, you know, and you tell yourself that to be cool and it's just another show, but it's not anybody you've ever looked up to. The music has stood in that circle for like, and it's a super respected place to play.
 
 You have to be invited to play there so you don't want to mess anything up. You want to respect their their house and their rules. So yeah, first time the Opry. Very nervous. Second time little less nervous, third time still nervous. I don't know if that will ever go away. Singing at the Opry, maybe, I hope not. I kind of like that feeling.
 
 
 
 Some big stages, you know, it's the the ones closer to home. I get nervous, you know, like we play Cheyenne Frontier Days on the mainstage. I always get a little nervous because it's the same for me. Like, I love it so much. I want to do the best job for our home base fans. And then what was the second part of the question?
 
 Sorry.
 
 I guess I guess the reward of writing a song and people taking the time to go download it and enjoy it enough to sing it back to you while you're singing it to them. Live is super special because, you know, songwriters heart and, I surround myself with great songwriters in Nashville. It's how I get a lot of these songs I put out, but it's hard to write.
 
 A lot of people can write a song, a lot of people can write a good song, but the goal is to get where you write great songs or people will. They'll be they'll be around forever. So singing those songs live and the crowd response, it's just it's a great feeling. It's like, you know, being 90 points on a bucking horse.
 
 It's just it's a feeling like you can't really describe.
 
 To me, okay. Sure. It's. You. Well, it would be George Strait at Cheyenne. Yeah. I've always wanted. Well, Cheyenne's my favorite venue. I mean, even over Red Rock to the Grand Ole Opry. I love those places, but my Grand Ole Opry is from Frontier Days. I would love to open for George Strait just because he's the king. At Cheyenne Frontier Days.
 
 Yeah.
 
 Well, and it's it's always hilarious. Every year when they put out the the lineup for Cheyenne, you always get people comment like, let's get George Strait is like, oh, thanks for the idea. You don't think we and you don't think you put out offers like George has a lifetime offer to play Cheyenne, but everybody's like, you should get George Strait.
 
 
 
 Yeah, it's not as easy as. So if you ever comes back, which I bet he does at some point, just because, you know, it's George. I would, love to be on that bill.
 
 And he's.
 
 I'm super fast. No, I was, not fast. I don't know. A lot of people don't know. I have a master's degree.
 
 And I just. They just think I'm a wild cowboy singer, but. Yeah, my parents wanted to be sure we went to college, but, I don't know, I guess I was like, tell people like, I'm an original Wyoming artist. You know, a lot of people, you know, weren't born raised here. So, like, you know, I just like being the fact that I'm a Wyoming ranch kid.
 
 My whole life, it's all I have cared about was living in Wyoming and, and, you know, representing that wherever we're at, if we're in California or Boston, wherever people know we're from Wyoming and we represent and we try to represent the state well because we love this place more than anybody. And, I want to protect it.
 
 I want to keep the tourists out. I mean, they can come, but they just have to leave it. Yeah. The winters are terrible. I'm in the summer camp in the summer. Spend all your money. But you got you better be out of here by December because it's going to get cold. Yeah.
 
 Just. Yeah. I mean, there's a bunch. I mean, I just, I love music and so especially country music, but growing up, I grew up on 90s country. I loved Dwight Yoakam and 80s country is Dan Seals. You know, my mom, I go to school. She was a school teacher. So I rode to school with her every day. And she always had good country music tapes.
 
 We listened to Dan Seals a lot. So I grew up listening to Dan, Dwight, Gary Allen. We've got to play with Gary a few times. Once a Cheyenne, I've always loved his stuff. Dirks, Bentley. Dirks. Bentley. You know, we've got to open with Wade Dirks, Cheyenne do. And one of the most genuine nice artist I've ever met.
 Like, he still text me once in a while and just super genuine Neal McCoy. I mean, all those guys. I guess the longer I'm in music, it's more about how they are as a as an individual versus their music. I like all music. I mean, some of it ain't my favorite, but it's if they make good music, it's good music.
 
 And so but what means the most is when you meet an artist or get to share the stage with them, and if they're really cool or if they don't care that you're there or not. That kind of is my deciding factor of who my favorite artists are, you know, like Dirks. Like I said, I'm one of the coolest dudes ever.
 
 We were at Cheyenne. I'd never met him. We're headed to meet and greet. And he said, hey, you want your chance here? I was like, oh man, it's Dirks Bentley. He said, you want to, you know, sing one. And I was like, sure. And, I thought maybe one of his songs, you know, I know a lot of his stuff.
 
 And he's like, how about still Mike Cheyenne? But George Strait is like, okay. And I've known that song forever, but I'd never worked it up. I'd never sang. It has. I get a little nervous is like, oh man, I'm so, so at Meet and Greet, I was like, Hey, Dirk. I mean, we can do one of yours or we can do that.
 
 I've never really worked it up. He's like, I haven't either. He's like, we'll just we'll print the lyrics out and put them on the deck and we'll get through it. I was like, okay. And for like for me and like at Cheyenne singing a song about Cheyenne that George Strait sang with Dirks Bentley and like, okay, don't mess this up.
 
 But, I mean, yeah, as far as artists go and there's stuff coming out all the time, like there's a new artist all earnest, like he's a great, great writer. And I've just been digging into all his catalog recently, and he's kind of that Morgan Wallen camp party. And those guys, those that whole team is putting out really cool stuff.
 
 And it's not necessarily cowboy stuff, but I sing lots of stuff that isn't cowboy stuff either, but just really good music. So there's always a new artist coming out that's inspiring to me. So. Yeah.
 
 Yeah. Other you just credit that to to being from Wyoming. I think everybody from Wyoming is like that. And you know, it's good and bad. You know, when I was in Nashville we're just we're just such down to earth people that everybody always thinks like you're asking them, like, why are you being so nice? Like just a nice guy.
 
 Like when I lived down there that during my internship, I moved down there by myself. So I was there a year with no friends. So let's gets a little lonely. So I'd go out, visit with people and sometimes they'd be like, well, what? What's your angle? What do you why are you so nice? I'm like, I just want somebody to talk to you.
 
 I'm from Wyoming. And so. And I think, you know. Yeah, it's like I'm just a nice guy, I think. But, you know, I think growing up in Moorcroft as a ranch kid, you know, my parents raised us to be respectful to people. I think in college, surrounding yourself with friends that keep you humble is important, you know. And so I remember, you know, my roommate Daryl.
 
 I get a little cocky once. Well, they did loan me out, you know, so I think I think it's just your complete upbringing of what makes you who you are. And I think that people used to say that about Chris are genuinely nice. He was. And I would say, well, that that's all the people in Wyoming. In my opinion, if you break down or somewhere or sitting in a bar, somebody's going to be your friend there because that's just how we are, or we're down to earth people.
 
 Well, I just yeah, I always thank thank our foundation fans, you know, the people out west, especially people in Wyoming, they've got us to where we are. I mean, people have drove miles and miles to come see our shows, and we'll always be appreciative of that. And and we don't really consider and fans are considered friends, but you know, and I was like telling people we did it the hard way.
 
 And we loved every second of it. And we do have a new single coming out. Let's see, September 6th. It's called Audio, and so we're excited to keep rolling out new music all the time. But yeah, I would just like to thank the the fans of Wyoming that have supported us all these years. And, you know, maybe it's taken us a little longer than some people, but we've loved every second because at the end of the day when the dust settles, we know nobody handed it to us and we did it our way and we earned it.
 
 Yeah. Just Chancey williams.com has are all the links to Instagram and Spotify and you know our tour schedule. And we always encourage people to go stream our stuff. You know I mean seems like people a lot of our fans a little old school and would rather come to a show than maybe stream it on Spotify. But Nashville really bases artists careers these days off of, Spotify numbers.
 
 And I, I get it, analytics sometimes don't lie, but I think sometimes they're a little skewed because I say, come to one of our shows out west, whether it's in Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, California, we sell tickets, you know, and so some artists, they might have a million TikTok followers, but that doesn't mean they're going to have a million ticket sales.
 
 So, you know, just because people like something on the internet doesn't mean they'll actually show up. The proof is in the pudding. When you put on a show and people pay their hard earned money to come see you and buy a t shirt and maybe still a CD, that's, in my opinion, what a real artist is. Versus are you just famous on the internet?
 
 Well, thank you girls for having me on. This is awesome. And this is a great podcast. I like it. Authentic Wyoming. That's us.
 
 Yeah. Well, okay. Well sounds good. Thanks, girls.